{"id":38951,"date":"2022-07-06T09:35:28","date_gmt":"2022-07-06T09:35:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/dev2.atlatszo.exot.hu\/?p=38951"},"modified":"2022-09-14T16:10:45","modified_gmt":"2022-09-14T16:10:45","slug":"tot-ce-stim-si-presupunem-despre-buletinele-de-vot-aruncate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/ro\/romana\/tot-ce-stim-si-presupunem-despre-buletinele-de-vot-aruncate\/","title":{"rendered":"Tot ce \u0219tim \u0219i presupunem despre buletinele de vot aruncate"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>O surs\u0103 misterioas\u0103, precaut\u0103 care \u0219i-a ascuns urmele digitale a informat presa c\u0103, \u00een apropiere de T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219, au fost aruncate plicuri con\u021bin\u00e2nd buletine de vot. Ne-am lansat pe urmele acestei informa\u021bii \u0219i cu c\u00e2t am s\u0103pat mai ad\u00e2nc, cu at\u00e2t toat\u0103 povestea a devenit mai dubioas\u0103.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen fini\u0219ul campaniei alegerilor parlamentare din Ungaria, \u00een seara zilei de 31 martie, mai mul\u021bi jurnali\u0219ti din Transilvania \u0219i Ungaria, respectiv mai multe persoane apropiate opozi\u021biei din Ungaria au primit fotografii cu un sac plin cu buletine de vot mototolite \u0219i par\u021bial arse, aruncate \u00eentr-o groap\u0103 de gunoi ilegal\u0103 de l\u00e2ng\u0103 T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A doua zi, dup\u0103 ce ne-am convins de veridicitatea informa\u021biei, am scris \u0219i noi, la r\u00e2ndul nostru, despre <a href=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/tamogatasok\/magyarorszagi-valasztasok\/valasztasi-visszaelesek-erdely-2022\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">buletinele de vot<\/a>. \u0218tirea s-a propagat ca focul \u0219i \u00een aceea\u0219i zi, cele dou\u0103 tabere politice \u0219i-a construit propria nara\u021bie despre aceast\u0103 situa\u021bie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Conform opozi\u021biei din Ungaria, aceste buletine de vot aruncate reprezint\u0103 dovada c\u0103 voturile prin coresponden\u021b\u0103 provenite de peste hotare sunt sistematic fraudate. Fidesz \u0219i organiza\u021biile apropiate din Transilvania, cum sunt \u0219i UDMR, CNMT, vorbesc despre provocare inten\u021bionat\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-atlatszo-erdely wp-block-embed-atlatszo-erdely\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"lu5W09qYx3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/tamogatasok\/magyarorszagi-valasztasok\/jedd-marosvasarhely-kidobott-levelszavazatok\/\">Minden, amit a kidobott szavaz\u00f3lapokr\u00f3l tudunk \u2013 \u00e9s felt\u00e9telez\u00fcnk<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8222;Minden, amit a kidobott szavaz\u00f3lapokr\u00f3l tudunk \u2013 \u00e9s felt\u00e9telez\u00fcnk&#8221; &#8212; \u00c1tl\u00e1tsz\u00f3 Erd\u00e9ly\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/tamogatasok\/magyarorszagi-valasztasok\/jedd-marosvasarhely-kidobott-levelszavazatok\/embed\/#?secret=HEDTN1U6Zf#?secret=lu5W09qYx3\" data-secret=\"lu5W09qYx3\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Cazul nu va fi investigat<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu vom \u0219ti \u00eens\u0103 niciodat\u0103 care variant\u0103 e mai aproape de realitate, deoarece Comisia Na\u021bional\u0103 Electoral\u0103, apoi \u0219i<a href=\"https:\/\/kuria-birosag.hu\/hu\/valhat\/kvkvii3940820222-szamu-hatarozat\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"> Curtea Suprem\u0103 din Ungaria au respins investigarea cazului<\/a>. Decizia a fost motivat\u0103 prin faptul c\u0103 legea electoral\u0103 se aplic\u0103 pe teritoriul Ungariei. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>\u201e(&#8230;) fapta nu a fost comis\u0103 pe teritoriul Ungariei \u0219i din acest motiv, (Curtea Suprem\u0103 \u2013 n. red.) nu poate investiga faptele comise de persoane necunoscute pe teritoriul Rom\u00e2niei, din lips\u0103 de sfer\u0103 de competen\u021b\u0103.\u201d \u2013 sus\u021bine motivarea.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Din surse poli\u021biene\u0219ti neoficiale, am aflat c\u0103 autorit\u0103\u021bile rom\u00e2ne continu\u0103 investiga\u021biile. Nu \u0219tim \u00eens\u0103 dac\u0103 autorit\u0103\u021bile ungare le-au contactat. Deoarece au fost aruncate buletinele de vot din Ungaria, \u00eentrebarea se pune dac\u0103, va fi instrumentat un dosar \u00een acest caz pe baza legisla\u021biei din Rom\u00e2nia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Exist\u0103, \u00eens\u0103, multe alte \u00eentreb\u0103ri. Am \u00eencercat s\u0103 afl\u0103m care e sursa care a f\u0103cut fotografiile \u0219i cu c\u00e2t am \u00eenceput s\u0103 s\u0103p\u0103m mai ad\u00e2nc, cu at\u00e2t povestea a devenit mai dubioas\u0103. Mai jos, am adunat cele mai importante \u00eentreb\u0103ri la care nu avem un r\u0103spuns, \u00eentreb\u0103ri care se pot formula pe baza informa\u021biilor destul de pu\u021bine pe care le de\u021binem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Ce am v\u0103zut mai exact?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Sacul \u0219i con\u021binutul acestuia se afl\u0103 \u00een posesia autorit\u0103\u021bilor rom\u00e2ne. Noi avem doar c\u00e2teva poze \u0219i materiale video realizate la fa\u021ba locului, respectiv relatarea unui martor ocular. Pe baza acestora, am reu\u0219it s\u0103 ne d\u0103m seama doar c\u0103, \u00een sacul transparent de plastic (pe care martorul ocular l-a asem\u0103nat cu un sac simplu de de\u0219euri menajere), s-au g\u0103sit cam o duzin\u0103 de buletine de vot \u0219i cu ceva mai multe plicuri pentru voturi (plicuri interioare \u0219i exterioare).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>O parte din buletinele de vot erau completate (votaser\u0103 \u00een favoarea partidelor de opozi\u021bie), respectiv marginea buletinelor de vot fusese ars\u0103. Conform martorului ocular, \u00een sac se mai g\u0103sea un strat de cenu\u0219\u0103 de circa un deget. \u00cen materialele foto \u0219i video realizate la fa\u021ba locului, nu am reu\u0219it s\u0103 identific\u0103m declara\u021bii de identificare, adic\u0103 formularele pe care figureaz\u0103 numele \u0219i datele de contact ale aleg\u0103torilor. Pe baza imaginilor pe care le avem, nu ne putem da seama dac\u0103 buletinele sunt sau nu originale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"Az illeg\u00e1lis \u00e9p\u00edtkez\u00e9si t\u00f6rmel\u00e9k-lerakat, ahol a zs\u00e1kot megtal\u00e1lt\u00e1k\" class=\"wp-image-37715\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a-295x222.jpg 295w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a-750x563.jpg 750w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a-1140x855.jpg 1140w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0853a.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption><em>Am marcat cu un punct ro\u0219u locul exact unde s-a g\u0103sit sacul cu buletinele de vot<\/em>. Foto: Zolt\u00e1n Egyed Uf\u00f3<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>La fa\u021ba locului, nu exist\u0103 urme care s\u0103 indice c\u0103 buletinele de vot ar fi fost arse \u00een acel loc. \u00cen imagini, se vede c\u0103 sacul menajer sub\u021bire este intact, nu este topit. Toate semnele ne indic\u0103 faptul c\u0103 buletinele de vot fuseser\u0103 aprinse \u00een alt\u0103 parte, cenu\u0219a \u0219i buletinele arse par\u021bial au fost puse \u00een sacul de plastic, apoi sacul a fost aruncat \u00een groapa cu moloz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Oare chiar sunt urme de fraud\u0103 electoral\u0103?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Conform explica\u021biei celei mai la \u00eendem\u00e2n\u0103 (care s-a r\u0103sp\u00e2ndit foarte rapid), aceste buletine de vot reprezint\u0103 dovada c\u0103 au existat abuzuri cu ocazia alegerilor prin coresponden\u021b\u0103. Persoane interesate de victoria Fidesz au distrus plicurile con\u021bin\u00e2nd voturi \u00een favoarea opozi\u021biei, respectiv le-au \u00eenlocuit cu plicuri cu buletine de vot completate \u201ecorespunz\u0103tor\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Conform unei surse de-ale noastre care ajut\u0103 \u00een procesul de colectare a voturilor prin coresponden\u021b\u0103, aceste voturi au fost duse, cu ma\u0219ina, de la T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219 la Consulatul General din Miercurea Ciuc. (Drumul pe care a fost g\u0103sit sacul este l\u00e2ng\u0103 \u0219oseaua dintre T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219 \u0219i Miercurea Ciuc.) Plicurile au fost deschise r\u00e2nd pe r\u00e2nd \u0219i buletinele de vot au fost \u00eenlocuite. \u00cen cele ce urmeaz\u0103, v\u0103 vom ar\u0103ta de ce aceast\u0103 presupunere este nerealist\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cum s-ar fi putut face a\u0219a ceva? Condi\u021bia de baz\u0103 ar fi fost ca f\u0103pta\u0219ii s\u0103 fi \u0219tiut care plicuri con\u021bineau voturi \u00een favoarea opozi\u021biei. Dac\u0103 plicurile (cele din interior \u0219i cele din exterior) nu au fost \u00eenchise, acest lucru ar fi fost u\u0219or de aflat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dac\u0103 \u00eens\u0103 au fost \u00eenchise \u2013 iar majoritatea plicurilor, cel mai probabil, au fost \u00eenchise la predare \u2013 nu ne este clar cum s-ar putea selecta voturile \u201ecu probleme\u201d f\u0103r\u0103 s\u0103 fie deschise toate plicurile. Av\u00e2nd \u00een vedere faptul c\u0103 Fidesz a primit 94% din voturile prin coresponden\u021b\u0103, voturi \u00een favoarea opozi\u021biei ar fi existat \u00een fiecare al dou\u0103zecilea plic. Deschiderea tuturor plicurilor ar fi implicat, evident, mai multe pierderi (fiecare vot s\u0103 fie pus \u00een alt plic), dec\u00e2t beneficii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u0103 presupunem c\u0103 plicurile cu voturi \u00een favoarea opozi\u021biei ar fi putut fi totu\u0219i identificate. \u00cen acest caz, dac\u0103 autorii aveau pachete de vot necompletate, le-ar fi putut completa, pun\u00e2nd \u00een plic formularul de identificare din plicurile \u201ecu probleme\u201d, apoi au \u00eenchis plicurile \u0219i le-au predat la consulat. Dac\u0103 s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat a\u0219a, avem motivul pentru care nu s-au g\u0103sit declara\u021bii de identificare la fa\u021ba locului.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dup\u0103 p\u0103rerea noastr\u0103, frauda electoral\u0103 nu poate fi exclus\u0103, aceasta, teoretic, fiind posibil\u0103. Dar totodat\u0103, este pu\u021bin probabil s\u0103 se fi comis fraud\u0103 electoral\u0103 la scar\u0103 mai mare prin aceast\u0103 metod\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Buletinele de vot s\u0103 fi fost aruncate \u00een gr\u0103mada de moloz chiar a\u0219a, \u00een v\u0103zul tuturor?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Relat\u0103rile din pres\u0103 arat\u0103 c\u0103 sacul con\u021bin\u00e2nd buletinele de vot a fost descoperit l\u00e2ng\u0103 un drum circulat care duce de la T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219 spre comuna \u00eenvecinat\u0103, Livezeni. Ceea ce ne duce cu g\u00e2ndul c\u0103 buletinele de vot z\u0103ceau, de fapt, acolo, \u00een v\u0103zul tuturor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Am fost la fa\u021ba locului de mai multe ori, iar din experien\u021ba noastr\u0103, putem spune c\u0103 lucrurile pot fi nuan\u021bate: drumul spre Livezeni e, desigur, foarte circulat, \u00eens\u0103, \u00een special, de ma\u0219ini. Sta\u021bionarea este posibil\u0103 doar \u00een parcarea cimitirului \u00eenvecinat (\u0219i, probabil, persoanele care se duc la cimitir opresc aici cel mai adesea).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"Az \u00e9p\u00edtkez\u00e9si t\u00f6rmel\u00e9k-lerakat ahol a lev\u00e9lszavazatokat tartalmaz\u00f3 zs\u00e1kot megtal\u00e1lt\u00e1k\" class=\"wp-image-37703\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a-295x222.jpg 295w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a-750x563.jpg 750w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a-1140x855.jpg 1140w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/DJI_0680a.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption><em>Drumul pe marginea c\u0103ruia s-au g\u0103sit buletinele de vot. Pe partea st\u00e2ng\u0103 se poate vedea cimitirul cu parcarea, \u00een partea de sus se vede comuna Livezeni, \u00een partea dreapt\u0103 jos se afl\u0103 drumul l\u0103turalnic cu mormane de moloz. Foto: Zolt\u00e1n Egyed Uf\u00f3<\/em> <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00centr-adev\u0103r, exist\u0103 un trotuar \u00eengust, dar sec\u021biunea aceasta de drum este frecventat\u0103 rar de pietoni. Este important, de asemenea, c\u0103 pentru a ajunge la groapa cu moloz, trebuie s\u0103 virezi pe un drum l\u0103turalnic \u0219i s\u0103 parcurgi circa 45-50 m de la drumul principal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sacul care ne intereseaz\u0103 pe noi se afla la aprox. 2-3 m de acest drum l\u0103turalnic, pe l\u00e2ng\u0103 al\u021bi saci plini de moloz. Probabil, ar fi fost vizibil de pe drum c\u0103 sacul con\u021bine acte, \u00eens\u0103 locul ar fi trebuit inspectat \u00eendeaproape.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Av\u00e2nd \u00een vedere acest fapt, e cam greu de imaginat c\u0103 sacul a fost descoperit de o persoan\u0103 aflat\u0103 pe acolo \u00een trecere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/GIF-helyszinifotok-kisebb.gif\" alt=\"A helysz\u00ednen k\u00e9sz\u00fclt fot\u00f3kb\u00f3l k\u00e9sz\u00fclt GIF. Piros ponttal jel\u00f6lt\u00fck a helyet ahol a zs\u00e1kot megtal\u00e1lt\u00e1k\" class=\"wp-image-37700\"\/><figcaption><em>Punctul ro\u0219u marcheaz\u0103 locul unde s-au g\u0103sit buletinele de vot. Foto: Zolt\u00e1n Egyed Uf\u00f3<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Cine a descoperit aceste buletine de vot?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Dup\u0103 cum a reie\u0219it din cele ar\u0103tate mai sus, sacul cu buletinele de vot se afla \u00eentr-un loc circulat, dar totu\u0219i l\u0103turalnic unde \u0219ansele ca un simplu trec\u0103tor s\u0103-l descopere sunt infime.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Este, de asemenea, important de men\u021bionat c\u0103 buletinele de vot ar fi putut fi f\u0103cute disp\u0103rute ca nimeni s\u0103 nu le g\u0103seasc\u0103 vreodat\u0103. De exemplu, buletinele ar fi putut fi arse complet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Av\u00e2nd \u00een vedere aceste aspecte, presupunem c\u0103 scopul a fost ca sacul s\u0103 fie g\u0103sit. Iar cel care a descoperit sacul fie c\u0103 a fost martor ocular \u00een locul \u00een care a fost aruncat sacul, fie el \u00eensu\u0219i a aruncat sacul \u00een moloz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Oricine s\u0103 fi fost persoana care l-a descoperit, aceasta \u0219tia, cu siguran\u021b\u0103, ce face. Datele de contact ale ziari\u0219tilor \u0219i ale redac\u021biilor din jude\u021bul Mure\u0219 nu sunt confiden\u021biale, dar nu oricine are acces facil la acest tip de informa\u021bie, pentru ob\u021binerea acestora fiind necesare un fel de rutin\u0103 \u0219i pricepere \u00eentr-ale vie\u021bii publice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"558\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/whatsapp_elso-558x1024.jpg\" alt=\"Ismereteink szerint ez az els\u0151 \u00fczenet ami \u00fajs\u00e1g\u00edr\u00f3knak kiment\" class=\"wp-image-37709\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/whatsapp_elso-558x1024.jpg 558w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/whatsapp_elso-163x300.jpg 163w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/whatsapp_elso-768x1409.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/whatsapp_elso-837x1536.jpg 837w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/whatsapp_elso-750x1376.jpg 750w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/whatsapp_elso.jpg 1056w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 558px) 100vw, 558px\" \/><figcaption><em>Aceasta este primul mesaj WhatsApp care a fost trimis jurnali\u0219tilor<\/em>. <em>Num\u0103rul de telefon a mai fost activ aproximativ jum\u0103tate de or\u0103, sursa a r\u0103spuns la \u00eentreb\u0103rile jurnali\u0219tilor<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Sursa a trimis primele fotografii jurnali\u0219tilor din jude\u021bul Mure\u0219 pe WhatsApp, \u00een seara zilei de 30 martie, la ora 20:46. La dou\u0103 minute, un jurnalist de la o televiziune local\u0103 (care ne-a rugat s\u0103 nu-i amintim numele, deoarece nu se ocup\u0103 de teme politice) a transmis mai departe primul mesaj sosit prin WhatsApp c\u0103tre Grup Presa IPJ Ms. \u00cen acest grup, sunt 97 de persoane: jurnali\u0219ti, respectiv reprezentan\u021bi ai Inspectoratului Jude\u021bean de Poli\u021bie Mure\u0219.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Num\u0103rul de WhatsApp de pe care a fost trimis primul mesaj era ini\u021bial activ. Cristian Teodorescu, primul jurnalist care a ajuns la fa\u021ba locului \u0219i c\u0103ruia sursa \u00eei trimisese direct fotografiile, ne-a relatat c\u0103 a avut un schimb de mesaje cu sursa, la \u00eenceput, timp de 10-15 minute, \u00een timp ce c\u0103uta sacul. Ultimul schimb de mesaje a avut loc la ora 21:17, iar ulterior sursa nu a mai putut fi contactat\u0103 \u2013 a spus Teodorescu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u0218i noi am \u00eencercat s\u0103 sun\u0103m la num\u0103rul respectiv, \u00eens\u0103 degeaba: ne-a intrat mesajul c\u0103 num\u0103rul este inexistent\/ nu poate fi contactat. Am c\u0103utat num\u0103rul \u0219i \u00een diferite baze de date, \u00eens\u0103 f\u0103r\u0103 succes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen momentul realiz\u0103rii fotografiilor, sursa a avut grij\u0103 ca ziari\u0219tii care vor c\u0103uta sacul s\u0103 nu b\u00e2jb\u00e2ie prin \u00eentuneric. \u00cen prima poz\u0103, se vede cimitirul; deci, cei care cunosc un pic zona, pot g\u0103si u\u0219or locul exact, fiind u\u0219or identificabil \u0219i pe Google Maps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Precau\u021bia sursei se vede \u0219i din faptul c\u0103 pozele au fost trimise pe WhatsApp. Aceast\u0103 aplica\u021bie \u0219terge automat metadatele fotografiilor, ceea ce ne-ar fi dus cu un pas mai aproape de rezolvarea misterului.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Cine a \u00eempr\u0103\u0219tiat buletinele de vot din sac?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Se observ\u0103 c\u0103 pozele din primul mesaj au fost f\u0103cute la lumina soarelui. Deoarece, \u00een data de 30 martie, soarele a apus la ora 19:53, presupunem c\u0103 fotografiile nu au fost realizate imediat \u00eenainte de a fi trimise, ci cel pu\u021bin cu o or\u0103 \u00eenainte sau chiar mai devreme. Este b\u0103t\u0103tor la ochi, de asemenea, c\u0103 majoritatea buletinelor de vot erau \u00een sac; erau vreo dou\u0103 buletine sau plicuri pe l\u00e2ng\u0103 sac.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/2gIWsBM8ito\" title=\"YouTube video player\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p>Din cuno\u0219tin\u021bele noastre, jurnalistul punctul.ro, Cristian Teodorescu, a fost primul la fa\u021ba locului. Din spusele sale,<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=2gIWsBM8ito\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"> acest film<\/a> a fost realizat la ora 22:30. \u00cen material, se vede bine c\u0103 buletinele nu mai erau \u00een sac, la ora respectiv\u0103, ci erau \u00eempr\u0103\u0219tiate pe jos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Teodorescu a relatat pentru \u00c1tl\u00e1tsz\u00f3 Erd\u00e9ly c\u0103 s-a deplasat la fa\u021ba locului cu un prieten apropiat pe care l-a luat cu el ca acesta s\u0103 confirme c\u0103 nu s-a atins de sac. \u00cen afara lor, nu mai era nimeni la fa\u021ba locului. \u0218i ei, la r\u00e2ndul lor, au plecat dup\u0103 10-15 minute. \u201e\u0218i eu mi-am dat seama ulterior c\u0103 primele poze \u0219i situa\u021bia de facto difer\u0103 (adic\u0103, buletinele de vot erau \u00eempr\u0103\u0219tiate)\u201d \u2013 a spus pentru \u00c1tl\u00e1tsz\u00f3 Erd\u00e9ly. Punctul.ro a publicat a doua zi, la ora 4 diminea\u021ba <a href=\"https:\/\/www.punctul.ro\/buletine-de-vot-din-ungaria-aruncate-in-livezeni\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">prima \u0219tire<\/a>, distribuind-o pe Facebook la ora 7 diminea\u021ba.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"415\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Youtube.png\" alt=\"Ezen a felv\u00e9telen j\u00f3l l\u00e1tszik, hogy a lev\u00e9lszavazatokat sz\u00e9tsz\u00f3rt\u00e1k\" class=\"wp-image-37712\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Youtube.png 600w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Youtube-300x208.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption><em>\u00cen acest cadru se vede c\u0103 buletinele de vot au fost \u00eempr\u0103\u0219tiate<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Cum a aflat opozi\u021bia din Ungaria despre buletinele de vot aruncate?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>La aproximativ o jum\u0103tate de or\u0103 dup\u0103 ce pozele au ajuns la jurnali\u0219tii din Mure\u0219, la ora 21:20, am primit \u0219i noi fotografiile sacului din groapa de gunoi de la o surs\u0103 apropiat\u0103 opozi\u021biei din Ungaria. Din c\u00e2te ne-am putut da seama, acestea sunt acelea\u0219i fotografii care au fost trimise \u0219i c\u0103tre punctul.ro: lumina, unghiul camerei foto \u0219i pozi\u021bia sacului sunt acelea\u0219i.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"578\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/signal.jpg\" alt=\"A lev\u00e9lszavazatokr\u00f3l sz\u00f3l\u00f3 \u00fczenet amit az \u00c1tl\u00e1tsz\u00f3 Erd\u00e9ly kapott\" class=\"wp-image-37696\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/signal.jpg 600w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/signal-300x289.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption><em>Mesajul pe care l-am primit noi<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>La pu\u021bin timp dup\u0103 aceea, la ora 21:48, fotografiile i-au fost trimise \u0219i lui Tam\u00e1s Bodoky, redactor-\u0219ef al platformei atlatszo.hu, de c\u0103tre o persoan\u0103 apropiat\u0103 opozi\u021biei ungare. Se presupune c\u0103 fotografiile au fost trimise \u0219i altora.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Faptul c\u0103 opozi\u021bia din Ungaria a aflat at\u00e2t de repede de poze este interesant \u00een sine, deoarece, din cuno\u0219tin\u021bele noastre, jurnali\u0219tii mure\u0219eni, majoritari de etnie rom\u00e2n\u0103, nu au foarte multe contacte cu politicienii sau cu partidele de opozi\u021bie din Ungaria.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Cum a ajuns Bor\u00f3ka Par\u00e1szka \u00een cadru \u0219i cum a devenit cazul o pur\u0103 \u201eprovocare st\u00e2ngist\u0103\u201d?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>O jurnalist\u0103 angajat\u0103 la Radio T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219 s-a deplasat la fa\u021ba locului a doua zi, dup\u0103 ce a aflat de caz din pres\u0103 (din afirma\u021bia sa reiese c\u0103 nu primise mesajul pe WhatsApp). Par\u00e1szka nu locuie\u0219te departe de fa\u021ba locului (casa sa se afl\u0103 la 1,5 km de cimitir, \u00een linie aerian\u0103 \u0219i la 2 km pe \u0219osea). Publicista a relatat c\u0103 poli\u021bia efectua deja investiga\u021bii la fa\u021ba locului \u00een momentul \u00een care a sosit ea, iar agen\u021bii vorbeau \u00een limba maghiar\u0103. Au legitimat pe toat\u0103 lumea, dar nu i-au permis jurnalistei s\u0103 se apropie de sac.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"682\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/boroka_fb.png\" alt=\"Rend\u0151rs\u00e9g helysz\u00ednel Marosv\u00e1s\u00e1rhely melletti szem\u00e9tdombon, ahol a lev\u00e9lszavazatokat megtal\u00e1lt\u00e1k\" class=\"wp-image-37689\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/boroka_fb.png 600w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/boroka_fb-264x300.png 264w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption><em>Poli\u021bia efectueaz\u0103 cercet\u0103ri \u00een locul unde s-au g\u0103sit voturile aruncate. Sursa foto: pagina Facebook al lui Bor\u00f3ka Par\u00e1szka<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00centr-o fotografie realizat\u0103 la fa\u021ba locului, apare \u0219i Bor\u00f3ka Par\u00e1szka ceea ce a contribuit, \u00een mare m\u0103sur\u0103, la \u00eente\u021birea scenariului de provocare st\u00e2ngist\u0103, conform c\u0103ruia Bor\u00f3ka Par\u00e1szka ar avea vreo leg\u0103tur\u0103 cu buletinele de vot arse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fotografia a fost publicat\u0103 prima dat\u0103 pe pagina de Facebook a lui L\u00e1szl\u00f3 Sz\u0151ke, directorul de dezvoltare al trustului media din Secuime, finan\u021bat de guvernul ungar, foarte activ \u00een materie de via\u021b\u0103 public\u0103. Fotografia fusese realizat\u0103 de cineva, de undeva de mai departe, de pe un c\u00e2mp din apropiere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"637\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/boroka.png\" alt=\"Par\u00e1szka Bor\u00f3ka marosv\u00e1s\u00e1rhelyi \u00fajs\u00e1g\u00edr\u00f3 azon a bek\u00f6t\u0151\u00faton ahol a lev\u00e9lszavazatokat megtal\u00e1lt\u00e1k\" class=\"wp-image-37692\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/boroka.png 600w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/boroka-283x300.png 283w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption><em>Fotografia share-uit\u0103 de c\u0103tre L\u00e1szl\u00f3 Sz\u0151ke. Nu \u0219tim cine este autorul fotografiei, credem c\u0103 aceast\u0103 persoan\u0103 a stat pe un c\u00e2mp din apropiere atunci c\u00e2nd a realizat fotografia. Sursa foto: pagina Facebook al lui L\u00e1szl\u00f3 Sz\u0151ke<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>La \u00eentrebarea noastr\u0103, L\u00e1szl\u00f3 Sz\u0151ke ne-a spus doar c\u0103 poza a fost f\u0103cut\u0103 de o \u201esurs\u0103 local\u0103\u201d. Nu am reu\u0219it s\u0103 d\u0103m de acest fotograf \u0219i nu \u0219tim nici s\u0103-i fi ap\u0103rut alte fotografii despre caz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Un alt element recurent al scenariului de \u201eprovocare st\u00e2ngist\u0103\u201d este c\u0103 Transtelex \u201ea scris \u00een avans\u201d acest material, deoarece \u00een sistemul de redac\u021bie al Telex s-a strecurat o eroare tehnic\u0103 \u00een momentul prelu\u0103rii, postdat\u00e2ndu-se pe o dat\u0103 la \u00eent\u00e2mplare. <a href=\"https:\/\/transtelex.ro\/kozelet\/2022\/03\/31\/kidobott-levelszavazatok-erdely\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Conform comunicatului Transtelex,<\/a> la data de 1 februarie care a fost vizibil\u0103 \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103tor, scurt timp, nu s-ar fi putut \u201eprefabrica\u201d un astfel de articol, deoarece <a href=\"https:\/\/telex.hu\/valasztas-2022\/2022\/02\/26\/kisorsoltak-az-orszagos-listakat-nemzeti-valasztasi-bizottsag\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ordinea partidelor de pe buletinele de vot<\/a> a fost tras\u0103 la sor\u021bi \u00een 26 februarie, comisia electoral\u0103 aprob\u00e2nd <a href=\"https:\/\/telex.hu\/belfold\/2022\/03\/04\/ilyen-lesz-az-orszagos-partlistas-szavazolap-gondolatban-mar-behuzhatja-az-ikszet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">formatul buletinelor de vot <\/a>\u00een data de 4 martie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Traducere: Sz\u00e1sz Auguszta<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Acest material face parte din proiectul de monitorizare al alegerilor parlamentare din aprilie 2022 din Ungaria. Proiectul a fost finan\u021bat \u00een parte de c\u0103tre <a href=\"https:\/\/www.investigativejournalismforeu.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Investigative Journalism Europe (IJ4EU)<\/a> respectiv printr-un grant al Departamentului de Stat al S.U.A. Opiniile, constat\u0103rile \u015fi concluziile prezentate \u00een aceast\u0103 lucrare sunt ale autorului\/autorilor \u015fi nu le reflect\u0103 neap\u0103rat pe cele ale Departamentului de Stat al S.U.A.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"589\" height=\"266\" src=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/usa_ij4eu.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-36154\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/usa_ij4eu.jpg 589w, https:\/\/atlatszo.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/usa_ij4eu-300x135.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 589px) 100vw, 589px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>O surs\u0103 misterioas\u0103, precaut\u0103 care \u0219i-a ascuns urmele digitale a informat presa c\u0103, \u00een apropiere de T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219, au fost aruncate plicuri con\u021bin\u00e2nd buletine de vot. Ne-am lansat pe urmele acestei informa\u021bii \u0219i cu c\u00e2t am s\u0103pat mai ad\u00e2nc, cu at\u00e2t toat\u0103 povestea a devenit mai dubioas\u0103.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":37719,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[25],"tags":[3082,3083,3097,3095,3099,3096,1181,3094,3098,1000],"ppma_author":[2992],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Tot ce \u0219tim \u0219i presupunem despre buletinele de vot aruncate - \u00c1tl\u00e1tsz\u00f3 Erd\u00e9ly<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"O surs\u0103 misterioas\u0103, precaut\u0103 care \u0219i-a ascuns urmele digitale a informat presa c\u0103, \u00een apropiere de T\u00e2rgu Mure\u0219, au fost aruncate plicuri con\u021bin\u00e2nd buletine de vot. 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